Podcast opens the floor to Little Green Footballs's Charles Johnson

edit Tom Paine, Brian of London and others 2007-11-12 12:57 UTC 22 comments  ·  ·  ·  ·

 This week we speak to Charles Johnson of Little Green Footballs about the whole giant argument going on within the anti-Jihad movement over cooperation with certain political groups in Europe. Last week we spoke to Filip Dewinter (which you can find here) from the Belgian Political Party, Vlamms Belang. This week we speak to Charles about why he has been raising concerns about the anti-Jihad movment working with certain European groups.

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As ever we have a packed show for you, and this week something arrived in the mail from a group calling themselves "Weapon of Musical Defense". It's a song called Best Nation about the UN's acceptance of the Cairo Declaration of Human Rights in Islam. We liked it. A lot. Tell us what you think when we play the song toward the end of the show.

For any who are interested, the Metalized version of Hatikva (the Israeli anthem) is by "Gods of Fire" and they did it for the pod-faded The View from Here.

Meryl Yourish has a fine piece looking at the British Muslims who are despicably trying to relate their experiences in modern Britain with the Jews of Germany in the 1930's.

In blog news this week we look at the Daily Mail's amazing interview with old blog favourite, Rage Boy. They don't think there is anything wrong with Muslim men aiming to marry non-Muslim women to convert them to Islam.

We are aware that there is a little animosity between Charles Johnson and Paul Belien at Brussels journal but that is no reason to overlook some great work. This piece on how Hitler felt about Mohammedanism is a fine piece.

And we couldn't pass up this piece on banning camel beauty contests from LGF as our weird Fatwa of the week.

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Comment #1Joanne

2007-11-12 14:23:58

 I don't mean to be a nitpicker, or overly "politically correct," but the term "Mohammedanism" went out the window decades ago. I think it's because Muslims don't worship Mohammed as a God, as the Christians do Jesus.

Of course, the logic doesn't totally hold, since Marxists don't worship Marx as a God,  at least not formally. Also, come to think of it, Buddhists don't believe that Buddha was a God, do they?

Well, anyway, unless you're using this term on purpose as a provocation, you should realize that it is archaic. Come to think of it, when did we last stop saying "Moslem" instead of "Muslim"?

Oh well. I'm really being a nudge this time, aren't I, commenting on your show before it's even up. No rest for the weary.


Comment #2Former Belgian

2007-11-12 18:09:48

Where did you find the hard rock/metal version of Hatiqva? :-) Care to Email me details? THANKS!!!

Comment #3DW

2007-11-12 19:12:56

Very glad to see this quality podcast continuing!

Comment #4DickieD

2007-11-12 19:57:59

"...Buddhists don't believe that Buddha was a God, do they?"

 Wow!  Way to go! It sounds like you're really on top of this topic!  FWIW, Christians don't worship Jesus as God.  Mohammedans worship Mohammed as Allah's only true messenger.  His message was "Islam" (take no prisoners).  Either way, sounds OK to me.  Just go back and have another crack at figuring out the Jesus thing - warning: you might have to read a book or two.  Then you'll discover the real reason Jesus freaks are astronauts, and Mohammedans ride donkeys.

Comment #5Cameron

2007-11-12 20:38:30

Wow that tune by Weapons of Musical Defense at the end was powerful stuff. I googled the name and came up with a not yet ready web page they seem to have put up. When can we expect to learn more about them?

Comment #6Bosch Fawstin

2007-11-12 20:39:37

Great show, very happy to see that you're keeping it together. And that song.......made my eyes water. This is from one who really hates this crying-at-the-drop-of-a-hat culture we're currently living in.

And Joanne,

Mohammed is Islam and Islam is Mohammed, hence Mohammedanism. One of the reasons that term's not as prevalent today is because Muslims don't like it, and since our mainstream is living in the age of unilateral respect for Islam, the term's suggestion is shunned. Because there's truth to it. There was a time before oil, before Western guilt, resurgent jihad, PC and Multiculturalism where The Truth about Mohammed and Islam mattered above any other consideration. And that time will return when non-Muslims become sick and tired of the Muslim versions of 'peace' and 'truth' and find out for themselves what the hell Islam really means.

Comment #7JR

2007-11-12 20:44:53

The song had me pissing myself laughing. Reminded me a bit of Flight of the Conchords or maybe something from Trey Parker and Matt Stone.

I'd love to know who is behind it.....

Love the show guys, keep up the excellent work.

JR From Netanya

Comment #8Former Belgian

2007-11-12 21:23:09

And by the way, Joanne, the term "Mohammedanism" was used in the text by Hitler [may his name and memory be erased]
that was being quoted, in which he expected kinship with it.

One way to solve the issue is to link with "scare quotes".

Comment #9Bosch Fawstin

2007-11-12 22:13:49

JR

Like everything with Islam, if it weren't so dangerous, it would merely be a sick joke, which was one reason that Mohammed attempted to kill the laughter by killing those who mocked him. If you pay attention to the lyrics, they ring damningly true about the Muslim world's rejection of the Universal Rights of Human Beings in favor of Islamic Law, which trumps human life.

Comment #10Rise_Up

2007-11-12 23:28:36

After listening to Charles Johnston of lgf. I am convinced he is a blabbering liberal with no concept at all of what is happening in Europe. And it is with blind arrogance and rubbish that he tries to speak for all americans. Yes. Americans will support Europe regardless of that idiotic blabbering about neo nazis. Come on...get from behind your computer and go there then come back and write something mr. johnston

Comment #11Mark James

2007-11-13 00:36:40

 Hey Comment #10Rise_Up, I know that Charles Johnson is well-traveled. I think you are just thinking in stereotypical terms of Americans. On another note, it is  ironic that SNN got a lot of attention from the big blogs, e.g., LGF, only after SNN blew up. Well, it looks like Humpty Dumpty was put back together again. Glad to hear it!

Comment #12JR

2007-11-13 07:53:57

Bosch,

Hey man, I'm with you. But that song is more than a little tongue in cheek.

Put it this way, the lyrics make 100% sense, but when you put it to that tune and that style of singing, you're taking the piss.

Unless the guy who wrote it is a massive fan of Night Ranger. In which case its even funnier.

Comment #13JR

2007-11-13 07:58:49

Rise_up

The last thing you can call Charles is a liberal, and in any case if being against groups that include Neo Nazis means you're a liberal, then call me a liberal.

Europe is indeed one sick puppy, but replacing Islamofascism with good old European Fascism is a little redundant.

Comment #14Brett_McS

2007-11-14 06:44:36

Charles Johnson is a former lefty, as is Tom Paine and others who have had the same response on this issue.

They are dear people all, but it seems that in their journey from the leftist swamp they have not been able to shake off the concept of Thought Crime - that people with certain ideas are, irrespective of their actions and character, to be judged as bad or evil. It is a typically totalitarian/illiberal notion.

Liberalism (in the classic sense) says to let people's actions speak for their character.  We all have some crazy/wrong/bad/evil ideas of one type or another, but if we treat each other with respect then their is no sense in making an issue of them.  We can work together.

It is easy for people heavily involved in the internet/blog world to make too much of ideas, and to start judging people on the basis of ideas (as the left have always done).  But this is not valid.  It is actions that are important and that are to be judged.

The former lefties need to come the full distance to liberalism and leave behind those trappings of illiberal left.

Comment #15Former Belgian

2007-11-14 20:08:28

I'm a former lefty myself, and I'll be the first to admit that the left has a serious obsession with "Thought crime/Crimethink".

But don't think for a moment this doesn't exist on the (paleo) Right. For example, any Flemish guy who dared ask "difficult" questions about the ideology and behavior of certain "paragons of Flemish nationalism" before and during WW II was automatically a "nest-soiler", "unflemish", "commie sympathizer", ...

Pot, please meet kettle.
Kettle, please meet pot.

Comment #16LaLaSaka

2007-11-15 00:57:47

In all due respect, shire news network is one of my favorite blogs.  However, if you guys are unable to continue because the disagreements in opinion then I must say that the anti jihad movement was really a joke to begin with.  The merits and vitality of a movment or any organisation is shown when it hits trouble spots and internal upheavals.  History will judge shirenewsnetwork as a minor footprint in a intellectual movement that died because of bruised egos and intellectual hubris.  Breaking up for a idealogy that was defeated in depth a half a century ago militarilly and intellectually is absurd.  I hope this doesn't happen, Tom and Brian kiss and make up please.

Comment #17Brett_McS

2007-11-15 01:21:25

I'm sure there are many on the right who are into the concept of Thought Crime.  In fact we have examples right here!  Conservatives (including former lefties) aren't always Classical Liberal, though.  It is the classical liberal heritage we need to go back to in this discussion.  Then Brian and Tom et al can get along.

Comment #18orbital sander

2007-11-20 18:20:29

Fascism / totalitarianism = bad. Nazi, Stalinist, Communist, Islamist, all bad.

Thought crime?  Let's not go there.

But let's not forget either that it is because of thoughts / ideas / beliefs, that all the above have acted in such appalling ways, causing death, distress and oppression on a global scale. It is not enough to defeat or prevent the actions of Islamists, but we must also defeat their ideas and beliefs. The thoughts matter, because they determine the actions.

Comment #19rab3

2007-12-21 18:14:45

You want to see a Jihad, just try to express an opposing opinion to the group think on LGF. They will bite your head off after which Charles will ban you. It's just an echo chamber there.

 RAB3

Comment #20billhedrick

2007-12-29 00:47:07

Rabs, as a 6 year veteran of LGF, I have to say your post is rubbish. No one gets banned from LGF for disagreeing. Also our "groupthink" encompasses Jews, Atheists,Christians , that JudeoAtheisticChristian alliance we have heard so much about recently! LGF is not for the casual, if you make an argument you are expected to defend it. Perhaps you would be happier in a more gentle pursuit, like Mixed Martial Arts.

Comment #21rab3

2008-04-26 18:18:45

Man your lips are truely acrobatic. You kissed Charles Ass all the way from a blog in England to Charles in California. I dd what you said and got branded a Troll because I picked on regular charle sicofants like you. Every thinks they are so special there. And how dare anyone pick on one of the circle jerk club there. But remeber the only reason you are on that site is.

1. You have a computer.

2. Your computer has an internet connection.

3. You happen to online pushing the refresh button on your browser waiting for registation to to open up. Of course you did have to take a break from your D and D game or video game play to do it.

Nothing special there. One out of millions of blogs. Just ask youself If there was no LGF what would you do on Saturday nights in your mothers basement. Charles is the kind of guy who unfairly call people trolls becuase they picks on his butt buddies. He reposts articles found by others on his site with out giving them credit for it. That is Charles. And I posted this comment eons ago and now I get a response. Man is this all you do is scower the internet looking for people insulting Charles and sending turse little respones to them. Get a life.

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