Podcast wonders what's worse for Venezuela- Socialismo or Muerte - or Chavez

edit Tom Paine, Brian of London and others 2007-06-03 07:57 UTC 5 comments  ·  ·  ·  ·  ·
In this week's edition of Shire Network News, we speak to Venezuelan blogger Daniel Duquenal about Hugo Chavez and the way he's killing democracy while the global left stand on the sidelines applauding.
 
Podcast wonders what's worse for Venezuela- Socialismo or Muerte - or Chavez #92
However, as those of you you who saw the Joss Wheedon movie Serenity will know, Chavez can close down all the opposition TV stations he wants, but you can't stop the signal. A website protesting at Hugo Chavez's crushing of dissent "Free RCTV" is now available with video clips, news and a petition to sign. And you can read more about the anti-Chavista resistance at Harry's Place.
And our thanks for those links goes to our friend in the underground, "Nighthawk". This is London calling Nighthawk. The package has been received, Stand by for further instructions.
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The latest bizzare Islamic pronouncement sheds new light on the origin of the pious phrase "piss be upon him".
And Australia apologises to an Indonesian politician suspected of involvement of the murder of Australian citizens, for having the temerity to want to ask him one or two questions about the event. Naughty kuffar, extra jizya for you this month!
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Comment #1Joanne

2007-06-04 04:24:45

Just a couple of points:

Regarding the British Foreign Office archives, I heard that the FO did not itself come to the conclusion that the Israelis planned the hijacking leading to the Entebbe rescue. All that was released was a memo by a British diplomat in Paris simply reporting that this is what an informant told him. Apparently, they were obligated to reports all such contacts, but it doesn't mean that they always took such informants seriously.

 Another thing: In the introduction to the Chavez interview, the speaker lumped the terms "socialist" and "communist" together as if there were no difference between them. The term "socialist" is a very broad one, ranging from the Soviet bloc countries, which did refer to themselves as socialist, to the Labour Party of Britain, the Socialists of France and the Social Democrats of Sweden and Germany. Democratic socialists or social democrats in Western Europe and elsewhere have nothing in common with totalitarianism, unless you want to hold that James Callaghan, Harold Wilson and Tony Blair or Mitterrand, Schmidt and Brandt were all oppressive dictators.

I regard myself as an old-fashioned social democrat,  yet I detest Castro, Che and Chavez. And there's no contradiction in that.

Remember, you're a center-right outfit, not far-right, so this kind of intellectual crudeness need not exist here.

Comment #2Brian of London

2007-06-04 10:07:08

I think this comment is good enough that I'll address it properly in the next show so look out for that. There is a very good post about the Foreign office memo on the Biased BBC Blog. That does sum things up rather well and their angle: what are the BBC doing reporting this as news is actually the real one.

I'll think of something to say about the whole left right thing in the show. Personally I can't stand any of these designations.

Brian of London

Comment #3Doug Payton

2007-06-04 18:45:43

I'm the speaker in question, and I accept that criticism.  For starters, I'll plead a bit of Americo-centricism (is that a word?)  We don't have parties with "social"-whatever in the name, and so when I think of socialists, I think of the Chavez variety.

At the same time, both the Chavez type of socialist, and the Soviet / Chinese type of communist do have repression of opposition in common.  There may be differences in governmental philosophy between the two, but this much they share.

Comment #4Joanne

2007-06-04 23:29:15

To Doug Payton,

Your points are well taken, but don't forget that I wasn't distinguishing between the Chavez variety--which imitates Castro--and the Chinese or Soviet varieties. They all belong in the same category, although Chavez is still a Castro wannabe.

Rather, I was distinguishing between totalitarian and democratic forms of socialism. Or perhaps, you could say, between the types of socialism that are directly derived from Marx and those that are not. Note that the names I referred to positively were those like Callaghan or Brandt; I didn't include Chavez among them.

A lot of people get caught up in the semantics, because "socialism" is a word that's been so over-used. But "socialism" is a very broad tent; in fact, it's barely one tent at all. And I think that sometimes the word "socialism" isn't just over-used, it's misused. Don't forget that the Communists officially split off from the socialist movements after World War One, when they founded their own Third International. That the Soviet bloc countries described themselves "Socialist" is true. But, remember, they also described themselves as "Democratic."

Comment #5Brian from Wisconsin

2007-06-05 21:25:40

I learned something today - I had not known until a few minutes ago there was a conflict between Australia and etc and Indonesia.  The bit about the Vulcan, the open ba doors and the nuke . that's great stuff.

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